Discussion:
So what is a racial slur for NZ?
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Ferdi Greyling
2004-11-15 14:11:44 UTC
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South Africans are called Japies regularly by some NZ'ers and when
SA'ns object they get sworn at.

I guess one can repay the compliment.

How does one racially insult a New Zealander?
The Green Phantom
2004-11-15 14:15:58 UTC
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Post by Ferdi Greyling
South Africans are called Japies regularly by some NZ'ers and when
SA'ns object they get sworn at.
I guess one can repay the compliment.
How does one racially insult a New Zealander?
Based on current thinking by calling him a kiwi or worse a sheepshagger.

Are you ready to answer the question yet?

regards

The Green Phantom
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FORTH IF HONK THEN
Ali Day
2004-11-15 14:38:01 UTC
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Post by The Green Phantom
Based on current thinking by calling him a kiwi or worse a sheepshagger.
Anything we want to call them really seems irrelevant, as they give each
other far more abuse than we could ever hope to do.

A
Ferdi Greyling
2004-11-15 15:15:31 UTC
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OK. Here you go into the kill file.
Cheers.

You looked like a bit of cunt at the best of times anyway.


On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:15:58 +0000, The Green Phantom
Post by The Green Phantom
Post by Ferdi Greyling
South Africans are called Japies regularly by some NZ'ers and when
SA'ns object they get sworn at.
I guess one can repay the compliment.
How does one racially insult a New Zealander?
Based on current thinking by calling him a kiwi or worse a sheepshagger.
Are you ready to answer the question yet?
regards
The Green Phantom
The Green Phantom
2004-11-15 15:38:09 UTC
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Post by Ferdi Greyling
OK. Here you go into the kill file.
Cheers.
You looked like a bit of cunt at the best of times anyway.
Ah sore loser eh?

[,,,]

Thank god for that. You won't see my response then which is that although
you keep repeating the same self-righteous question over and over again
like some mantra you don't square up to answering a question yourself when
you are wrong. Quelle surpris!

regards

The Green Phantom
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"Professional certification for car people may sound like an
oxymoron." -The Wall Street Journal, page B1, Tuesday, July 17,
1990.
DaveyWavey
2004-11-15 22:59:17 UTC
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Post by Ferdi Greyling
OK. Here you go into the kill file.
You are didge, and I claim my 56 Rand.
Walter Mitty
2004-11-16 00:24:32 UTC
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Post by Ferdi Greyling
OK. Here you go into the kill file.
Cheers.
You looked like a bit of cunt at the best of times anyway.
???????????????????????????

Pot. Kettle. Etc.

The Phantom is normally very balanced in his views IMO. It's you thats
the baised, whining fudgepacker that you appear to be. Get a grip man.
Mimir
2004-11-16 08:39:53 UTC
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On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:15:58 +0000, The Green Phantom
Post by The Green Phantom
Post by Ferdi Greyling
South Africans are called Japies regularly by some NZ'ers and when
SA'ns object they get sworn at.
I guess one can repay the compliment.
How does one racially insult a New Zealander?
Based on current thinking by calling him a kiwi or worse a sheepshagger.
No way. Either term is quite acceptable to me.

Nik
sparkup
2004-11-15 14:21:39 UTC
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Post by Ferdi Greyling
South Africans are called Japies regularly by some NZ'ers and when
SA'ns object they get sworn at.
I guess one can repay the compliment.
How does one racially insult a New Zealander?
I'm not sure, but I would guess that it would involve sheep.
Ferdi Greyling
2004-11-15 15:33:06 UTC
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Found this on the web:

BOGAN (n). See also _Westie_, _Petrolhead_, _Hoon_.

Appearance. Typically clad in black rib jersey (Hallensteins, $49.95),
black jeans, and a shredded black heavy-metal t-shirt. Clothing with
beer
logos is an acceptable alternative to above - Waikato is favourite.
Black
oilstains on skin optional. A curious feature is the haircut, which
although short(ish) at the front and sides is long and straggly at the
back. The cover thus provided enables one to distinguish the bogan
from
the _Redneck_.

Habitat. The beach in summer, but only those with free road access. Mt
Maunganui provides a typical bogan haunt. Despite the heat, bogans
NEVER
expose their torsos, even when swimming. Science has yet to explain
why
they refuse to shed their protective coating of black fabric. Bogans
may
be found at all times on back roads, at rugby matches, and in public
bars.
If you can't see a bogan straight away, they may be shy - try watching
the
older Holden Kingswoods for activity.

Feeding. Copious quantities of _BEER_ provide all the nourishment a
Bogan
requires.

Reproduction. Bogans appear to be exclusively male. Females are
activley
repelled by cries of "getchagearsoff" or "showusyagrowler" if they
dare
venture too close. Like _Geeks_, _Rugbyheads_ and _Best friends of
popular
girls_, the Bogan is the non-viable offspring of apparently fertile
humans.

Seldom seen in numbers fewer than three.
Ferdi Greyling
2004-11-15 15:43:50 UTC
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And I found this as well:

Jaffa - a resident of Auckland New Zealand
<http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/New Zealand>
sheepfucker, sheepscrewer, sheepshagger and other variations on this
theme - England, a Welshman; Australia, a New Zealander; USA, a Scot;
etc.)
Sean Byrne
2004-11-15 16:57:47 UTC
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Post by Ferdi Greyling
Jaffa - a resident of Auckland New Zealand
<http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/New Zealand>
sheepfucker, sheepscrewer, sheepshagger and other variations on this
theme - England, a Welshman; Australia, a New Zealander; USA, a Scot;
etc.)
What a productive life you must lead Ferdi...

Later,
Sean
Ferdi Greyling
2004-11-16 08:05:26 UTC
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On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:57:47 +0000, Sean Byrne
<***@hotmail.com> wrote:


<<>What a productive life you must lead Ferdi...
Post by Sean Byrne
Later,
Sean>>
Have you ever used the term "Japie" or "boer" Sean?
Sean Byrne
2004-11-16 09:04:07 UTC
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Post by Ferdi Greyling
Have you ever used the term "Japie" or "boer" Sean?
Yep... so what?

Later,
Sean
Ferdi Greyling
2004-11-16 10:32:10 UTC
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On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 09:04:07 +0000, Sean Byrne
<***@hotmail.com> wrote:

<<> Have you ever used the term "Japie" or "boer" Sean?
Yep... so what?>>
Thought so.

I knew you way back in SA. Only then you had a different name.
But don't bother, you won't understand this comment.
Sean Byrne
2004-11-16 10:46:10 UTC
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Post by Ferdi Greyling
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 09:04:07 +0000, Sean Byrne
<<> Have you ever used the term "Japie" or "boer" Sean?
Yep... so what?>>
Thought so.
I knew you way back in SA. Only then you had a different name.
But don't bother, you won't understand this comment.
Context is important Ferdi. A subtlety no doubt lost on you.

Much like a rappers use of 'nigger', I doubt that the guys down the road
with 'japies on tour' painted on the side of their campervan are going
to be to insulted by the term.

Oh and I do understand the comment, as mistaken as it is. I have no
doubt you knew people like that way back. Birds of a feather etc.

Later,
Sean
Ferdi Greyling
2004-11-16 14:39:48 UTC
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On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 10:46:10 +0000, Sean Byrne
<***@hotmail.com> wrote:


<<>> <<> Have you ever used the term "Japie" or "boer" Sean?
Post by Ferdi Greyling
Yep... so what?>>
Thought so.
I knew you way back in SA. Only then you had a different name.
But don't bother, you won't understand this comment.
Context is important Ferdi. A subtlety no doubt lost on you.>>
Not lost on me.
Context requiers some things - like both parties being in the know.
I have been asked on this NG if I mind being called a "japie" (more
than once) and I have every time answered that I do mind being called
that.
That I (and other South Africans) experience it as derogatory and even
racist. And I reject it.

Can I tell you the same now?

<<Much like a rappers use of 'nigger', I doubt that the guys down the
road
with 'japies on tour' painted on the side of their campervan are going
to be to insulted by the term.>>
Just as the rapper will not be.
But African Americans that you do not know, will be.
THus the context that requires both sides to be in the know and to
agree.
In the case between me and you - for example - you did not know what
my thoughts on this matter is.

<<Oh and I do understand the comment, as mistaken as it is. I have no
doubt you knew people like that way back. Birds of a feather etc.>>
I did know them yes. And one does not have to be birds of a feather to
see something for what it is. If that is the case, you (for example)
will either have to be a complete racist because you can recognise
racism when you see it (birds of a feather), or total;ly unaware of
such a thing as racism - you cannot recognise it because you are not
one.

In fact the reality is the complete opposite.
You can rocognise racism because you are not a racist and do not
condone it.
Sean Byrne
2004-11-16 15:36:29 UTC
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Post by Ferdi Greyling
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 10:46:10 +0000, Sean Byrne
<<>> <<> Have you ever used the term "Japie" or "boer" Sean?
Post by Ferdi Greyling
Yep... so what?>>
Thought so.
I knew you way back in SA. Only then you had a different name.
But don't bother, you won't understand this comment.
Context is important Ferdi. A subtlety no doubt lost on you.>>
Not lost on me.
Context requiers some things - like both parties being in the know.
I have been asked on this NG if I mind being called a "japie" (more
than once) and I have every time answered that I do mind being called
that.
That I (and other South Africans) experience it as derogatory and even
racist. And I reject it.
Can I tell you the same now?
<<Much like a rappers use of 'nigger', I doubt that the guys down the
road
with 'japies on tour' painted on the side of their campervan are going
to be to insulted by the term.>>
Just as the rapper will not be.
But African Americans that you do not know, will be.
THus the context that requires both sides to be in the know and to
agree.
In the case between me and you - for example - you did not know what
my thoughts on this matter is.
I doesn't matter what your thoughts on this matter are you moron = I
didn't call you a Japie.

Later,
Sean
Ali Day
2004-11-16 08:38:47 UTC
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Post by Ferdi Greyling
Jaffa - a resident of Auckland New Zealand
Seedless?
Mr Scebe
2004-11-16 08:54:47 UTC
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Post by Ferdi Greyling
Jaffa - a resident of Auckland New Zealand
It's actually JAFA, softcock. It stands for Just Another Fucking Aucklander.
--
Mr Scebe
"Pershonally i think you're a fucking idiot"
~Sean Connery in "The Rock"
Matt Neilson
2004-11-16 06:47:41 UTC
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Post by sparkup
Post by Ferdi Greyling
South Africans are called Japies regularly by some
NZ'ers and when
Post by sparkup
Post by Ferdi Greyling
SA'ns object they get sworn at.
I guess one can repay the compliment.
How does one racially insult a New Zealander?
I'm not sure, but I would guess that it would involve
sheep.
Can't see why we would be insulted by that to be honest ....

Cheers, aMtt
Neil Jones
2004-11-15 14:46:31 UTC
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Post by Ferdi Greyling
South Africans are called Japies regularly by some NZ'ers and when
SA'ns object they get sworn at.
I guess one can repay the compliment.
How does one racially insult a New Zealander?
In my expereince, calling them Aussies does the trick
Roger
2004-11-15 21:39:49 UTC
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Post by Neil Jones
Post by Ferdi Greyling
South Africans are called Japies regularly by some NZ'ers and when
SA'ns object they get sworn at.
I guess one can repay the compliment.
How does one racially insult a New Zealander?
In my expereince, calling them Aussies does the trick
That for sure will do it.
Lew
2004-11-16 03:17:24 UTC
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Post by Neil Jones
Post by Ferdi Greyling
South Africans are called Japies regularly by some NZ'ers and when
SA'ns object they get sworn at.
I guess one can repay the compliment.
How does one racially insult a New Zealander?
In my expereince, calling them Aussies does the trick
Even better is to call "us" Jappies!! ;0
Now "that" can get the bloood flowing
Lew
Mike
2004-11-15 19:00:03 UTC
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Post by Ferdi Greyling
South Africans are called Japies regularly by some NZ'ers and when
SA'ns object they get sworn at.
I guess one can repay the compliment.
How does one racially insult a New Zealander?
Why would one want to abuse such a charming bunch of avon ladies?

Mike
Will S
2004-11-15 19:51:36 UTC
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Post by Ferdi Greyling
South Africans are called Japies regularly by some NZ'ers and when
SA'ns object they get sworn at.
I guess one can repay the compliment.
How does one racially insult a New Zealander?
call him an aussie and you get to insult Australia as well
NZDude
2004-11-15 20:46:30 UTC
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Post by Ferdi Greyling
South Africans are called Japies regularly by some NZ'ers and when
SA'ns object they get sworn at.
I guess one can repay the compliment.
How does one racially insult a New Zealander?
Just call them an "Aussie" that usually does it quite nicely. Or ask them
how it feels to be Australia's smallest state.
NZD
Roger
2004-11-15 21:41:10 UTC
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Post by NZDude
Just call them an "Aussie" that usually does it quite nicely. Or ask them
how it feels to be Australia's smallest state.
NZD
Mind you, ever seen an Ozzers reaction when you ask him/her - whereabouts in the West
Island do you come from.
dechucka
2004-11-15 23:25:27 UTC
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Post by Roger
Post by NZDude
Just call them an "Aussie" that usually does it quite nicely. Or ask them
how it feels to be Australia's smallest state.
NZD
Mind you, ever seen an Ozzers reaction when you ask him/her - whereabouts
in the West Island do you come from.
most deny living in Bondi with all other wannabe Australian New
Zealanders
Kip
2004-11-16 00:06:55 UTC
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Post by dechucka
Post by Roger
Mind you, ever seen an Ozzers reaction when you ask him/her - whereabouts
in the West Island do you come from.
most deny living in Bondi with all other wannabe Australian New
Zealanders
Who would own up to being Matua's neigbour?
dechucka
2004-11-16 00:51:17 UTC
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Post by Kip
Post by dechucka
Post by Roger
Mind you, ever seen an Ozzers reaction when you ask him/her - whereabouts
in the West Island do you come from.
most deny living in Bondi with all other wannabe Australian New
Zealanders
Who would own up to being Matua's neigbour?
Nobody would own up to being New Zealand's/ a New Zealanders neighbour, I
tell all my o/s friends that NZ isn't really close to Aus and that it is
really strange that most/many NZers are wannabe Australians.


;-)
Lndsay
2004-11-16 00:59:05 UTC
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Post by dechucka
Nobody would own up to being New Zealand's/ a New Zealanders neighbour, I
tell all my o/s friends that NZ isn't really close to Aus and that it is
really strange that most/many NZers are wannabe Australians.
You still don't understand, that's part of NZs foreign aid package, jeez - we just
gave $20M to 1200 Niueans
BrentC
2004-11-16 01:00:11 UTC
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Post by dechucka
Post by Kip
Post by dechucka
Post by Roger
Mind you, ever seen an Ozzers reaction when you ask him/her - whereabouts
in the West Island do you come from.
most deny living in Bondi with all other wannabe Australian New
Zealanders
Who would own up to being Matua's neigbour?
Nobody would own up to being New Zealand's/ a New Zealanders neighbour, I
tell all my o/s friends that NZ isn't really close to Aus and that it is
really strange that most/many NZers are wannabe Australians.
;-)
and when I am playing up overseas - I always say I am Australian - bad
behaviour is expected from an Aussie all round the world :)




**************

BrentC
dechucka
2004-11-16 01:08:39 UTC
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Post by BrentC
Post by dechucka
Post by Kip
Post by dechucka
Post by Roger
Mind you, ever seen an Ozzers reaction when you ask him/her - whereabouts
in the West Island do you come from.
most deny living in Bondi with all other wannabe Australian New
Zealanders
Who would own up to being Matua's neigbour?
Nobody would own up to being New Zealand's/ a New Zealanders neighbour, I
tell all my o/s friends that NZ isn't really close to Aus and that it is
really strange that most/many NZers are wannabe Australians.
;-)
and when I am playing up overseas - I always say I am Australian - bad
behaviour is expected from an Aussie all round the world :)
Good call you should never admit to being a New Zealander ;-)
Kip
2004-11-16 01:07:54 UTC
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Post by dechucka
Nobody would own up to being New Zealand's/ a New Zealanders neighbour, I
tell all my o/s friends that NZ isn't really close to Aus and that it is
really strange that most/many NZers are wannabe Australians.
Matua is in Australia because the dole package is better.

But whatever you want to beleive is fine too.
dechucka
2004-11-16 01:19:10 UTC
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Post by Kip
Post by dechucka
Nobody would own up to being New Zealand's/ a New Zealanders neighbour, I
tell all my o/s friends that NZ isn't really close to Aus and that it is
really strange that most/many NZers are wannabe Australians.
Matua is in Australia because the dole package is better.
The dole in Australia is defined as foreign aid to NZers, I hope he is
sending some of the hard foreign currency he earns back to his family in NZ
so they can survive as your o/s family is doing


:-)
Walter Mitty
2004-11-16 01:21:24 UTC
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Post by Kip
Post by dechucka
Nobody would own up to being New Zealand's/ a New Zealanders
neighbour, I tell all my o/s friends that NZ isn't really close to Aus
and that it is really strange that most/many NZers are wannabe
Australians.
Matua is in Australia because the dole package is better.
So is the methadone program.
Kip
2004-11-16 01:30:22 UTC
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Post by Walter Mitty
Post by Kip
Matua is in Australia because the dole package is better.
So is the methadone program.
Australians love their drugs..
dechucka
2004-11-16 01:53:59 UTC
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Post by Kip
Post by Walter Mitty
Post by Kip
Matua is in Australia because the dole package is better.
So is the methadone program.
Australians love their drugs..
and take them under medical supervision for legitimate medical reasons. I'm
sure you can find a SA syphilis doctor or an out of date pommy pharmacist
who will say that methadone is an archaic drug which has no modern medical
use.

and you would make a fool of yourself AGAIN
Kip
2004-11-16 01:55:22 UTC
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Post by dechucka
and take them under medical supervision for legitimate medical reasons.
Warne's mum?
JohnO
2004-11-16 02:01:01 UTC
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Post by Kip
Post by dechucka
and take them under medical supervision for legitimate medical reasons.
Warne's mum?
Bwahahaha! You can be a twat sometimes Kippers, but by crikey you make me
laugh!
dechucka
2004-11-16 02:01:07 UTC
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Post by Kip
Post by dechucka
and take them under medical supervision for legitimate medical reasons.
Warne's mum?
wasn't Warne sanctioned for taking a drug/drugs not under medical
supervision and not for legitimate medical reasons. Oh thats right yes he
was. Your point is WHAT?
Walter Mitty
2004-11-16 01:59:08 UTC
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Post by dechucka
and take them under medical supervision for legitimate medical reasons. I'm
Why do you defend Tune?
dechucka
2004-11-16 02:16:15 UTC
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Post by Walter Mitty
Post by dechucka
and take them under medical supervision for legitimate medical reasons. I'm
Why do you defend Tune?
because his medical specialist made a mistake in prescribing Probenecid to
Tune for legitimate medical reasons and Tune did the correct thing in
declaring his use off Probenecid to the drug testing agency. The fuck up
from this came from the QRU who when informed by the ADSA? that Tune had
declared a banned substance on his form ( he wasn't tested) tried to cover
it up.

Tune didn't fail a drug test from the ADSA but admits he took Probenecid for
a legitimate medical reason.

Kefu also took a banned drug for a legitimate medical reason ( Bell's Palsy)
but his use wasn't covered up. Interestingly Kefu use of a banned drug
acutely ( like Tunes use) wouldn't be allowed under WADA which wasn't in
force for rugby at the time of the Tune case. However as Tune was tested
under the IRB rules and he was using Probenecid for a legitimate medical
reason he was not sanctioned as confirmed by the IRB.

For an opposing view on this matter please go to
http://roidrage.blogspot.com
Kip
2004-11-16 02:40:51 UTC
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Post by dechucka
For an opposing view on this matter please go to
http://roidrage.blogspot.com
Thanks for the plug there chucky..

You did of course miss such points as;

1) Tune DID test positive for a banned substance
1) Probenecid is a popular steroid masking agent.
2) The QRU conducted 'secret' testing over a four week period before
putting him at risk of test again
3) Probenecid would have cleared his system in only three days (why hide
him for four weeks?)
4) The 'correct thing' was never 'done' - the positive result was no
declared to the IRB as required by the laws
5) The Australian drug agency was informed that Tune was positive, BUT
chose not to test him. If probenecid being used 'legitimately' as
claimed, then why not test Tune and prove that there's nothing else in
his system. Something that might take say 4 weeks to clear? (steroids)

But then again these and other fully referenced FACTS I have all
collected at chucky's favourite URL..
dechucka
2004-11-16 02:53:24 UTC
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Post by Kip
Post by dechucka
For an opposing view on this matter please go to
http://roidrage.blogspot.com
Thanks for the plug there chucky..
You did of course miss such points as;
1) Tune DID test positive for a banned substance
1) Probenecid is a popular steroid masking agent.
2) The QRU conducted 'secret' testing over a four week period before
putting him at risk of test again
3) Probenecid would have cleared his system in only three days (why hide
him for four weeks?)
4) The 'correct thing' was never 'done' - the positive result was no
declared to the IRB as required by the laws
5) The Australian drug agency was informed that Tune was positive, BUT
chose not to test him. If probenecid being used 'legitimately' as claimed,
then why not test Tune and prove that there's nothing else in his system.
Something that might take say 4 weeks to clear? (steroids)
But then again these and other fully referenced FACTS I have all collected
at chucky's favourite URL..
and the whole point is Tune did the right thing, the QRU did the wrong
thing. If as in the Kefu case the ?RU had come out and said this player is
taking this drug and has declared its use to the drug testing authorities
because they are taking it for a legitimate medical reason there would have
been no problem. Tune did the right thing the QRU did the wrong thing and
the IRB acknowledges the fact.

Kip I am always happy to publicises the opposite view, I like to post your
blog site so people can see how stupid your argument is WOW it is based on a
syphilitic SA Dr and a pharmacist who is amazingly out of date. Good one
JohnO
2004-11-16 03:18:46 UTC
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Post by dechucka
Post by Kip
Post by dechucka
For an opposing view on this matter please go to
http://roidrage.blogspot.com
Thanks for the plug there chucky..
You did of course miss such points as;
1) Tune DID test positive for a banned substance
1) Probenecid is a popular steroid masking agent.
2) The QRU conducted 'secret' testing over a four week period before
putting him at risk of test again
3) Probenecid would have cleared his system in only three days (why hide
him for four weeks?)
4) The 'correct thing' was never 'done' - the positive result was no
declared to the IRB as required by the laws
5) The Australian drug agency was informed that Tune was positive, BUT
chose not to test him. If probenecid being used 'legitimately' as claimed,
then why not test Tune and prove that there's nothing else in his system.
Something that might take say 4 weeks to clear? (steroids)
But then again these and other fully referenced FACTS I have all collected
at chucky's favourite URL..
and the whole point is Tune did the right thing, the QRU did the wrong
thing. If as in the Kefu case the ?RU had come out and said this player is
taking this drug and has declared its use to the drug testing authorities
because they are taking it for a legitimate medical reason there would have
been no problem. Tune did the right thing the QRU did the wrong thing and
the IRB acknowledges the fact.
Kip I am always happy to publicises the opposite view, I like to post your
blog site so people can see how stupid your argument is WOW it is based on a
syphilitic SA Dr and a pharmacist who is amazingly out of date. Good one
Just when we all thought this thread was dead and buried, a bony, rotting
hand thrusts up from the freshly dug earth....
Walter Mitty
2004-11-16 03:21:35 UTC
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Post by dechucka
and the whole point is Tune did the right thing, the QRU did the wrong
One thing : did he own up to taking this "masking agent" *bfore* he
tested positive and before the QRU conducted this "secret" testing?
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dechucka
2004-11-16 04:37:36 UTC
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Post by dechucka
and the whole point is Tune did the right thing, the QRU did the wrong
One thing : did he own up to taking this "masking agent" *bfore* he tested
positive and before the QRU conducted this "secret" testing?
YES , he did that!!!!!.

That is the whole point of my defence of Tune. HE DECLARED HIS USE OF
PROBENECID ON HIS PLAYER DECLERATION FORM TO THE ADTA, he was not tested by
the ADTA. It was his declaration on the Form that led the ADTA to inform the
QRU that he had taken Probenecid.

Question if he was taking PROBENECID for non medical reasons why did he have
a medical specialist saying it was prescribed and why did he declare it?
Kip
2004-11-16 05:13:36 UTC
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One thing : did he own up to taking this "masking agent" *bfore* he tested
positive and before the QRU conducted this "secret" testing?
YES , he did that!!!!!.
That is the whole point of my defence of Tune. HE DECLARED HIS USE OF
PROBENECID ON HIS PLAYER DECLERATION FORM TO THE ADTA, he was not tested by
the ADTA. It was his declaration on the Form that led the ADTA to inform the
QRU that he had taken Probenecid.
Question if he was taking PROBENECID for non medical reasons why did he have
a medical specialist saying it was prescribed and why did he declare it?
That's the cover story. But what is proven beyond doubt is the
dishonesty that Tune, the QRU and the ARU all colluded to act with.

Drug cheats and their associates are all dishonest by their very
nature, Tune is no exception.

Anti doping law required that the ARU inform the IRB. Instead they
chose dishonesty. "Why" an intelligent person might ask while the
sycophant simply laps up the whitewash handed to them.

The report of this supposed 'form' Tune filled out only arouse
eighteen months later.

You'd have to be pretty stupid to look at all the proven
inconsistencies in Tune's story to think anything other than he's a
steroid abuses that got caught, and covered up in-house until a
reporter got a hold of the scoop.

But then in Australia these sorts of attitudes prevail;

(Editorials from Australian newspapers) ;

* The 'Australian';

"Australian athletes appear mostly indifferent to drug protocol and
the nation has no sense of justice when it comes to other
international athletes who are found to be in breach of drug rules."

"Speak with an accent and you are automatically up to your biceps in
syringes. Australians, however, are innocent victims."

* The 'Herald Sun'

"IF THE secret drug testing and cover-ups of the Ben Tune scandal
happened anywhere else in the world, Australian sports fans would
snigger with derision.

Like other countless cries of innocence from drug cheats, Tune's
excuse would be dismissed as codswallop.

The Queensland and Australian rugby unions expect the public - and
rival rugby teams - to believe their version of events: that Tune was
administered probenecid as part of a treatment for an infected knee."
dechucka
2004-11-16 05:22:00 UTC
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Post by Kip
Post by dechucka
One thing : did he own up to taking this "masking agent" *bfore* he tested
positive and before the QRU conducted this "secret" testing?
YES , he did that!!!!!.
That is the whole point of my defence of Tune. HE DECLARED HIS USE OF
PROBENECID ON HIS PLAYER DECLERATION FORM TO THE ADTA, he was not tested by
the ADTA. It was his declaration on the Form that led the ADTA to inform the
QRU that he had taken Probenecid.
Question if he was taking PROBENECID for non medical reasons why did he have
a medical specialist saying it was prescribed and why did he declare it?
That's the cover story. But what is proven beyond doubt is the
dishonesty that Tune, the QRU and the ARU all colluded to act with.
no that is the truth if you look at the facts. But hey you have never
considered any fact that destroys your paranoid, insular argument.

You are correct the IRB is wrong NOT.

come on Kip keep posting your blog it gives everybody a laugh apart from the
paranoids like you
Post by Kip
Drug cheats and their associates are all dishonest by their very
nature, Tune is no exception.
Anti doping law required that the ARU inform the IRB. Instead they
chose dishonesty. "Why" an intelligent person might ask while the
sycophant simply laps up the whitewash handed to them.
The report of this supposed 'form' Tune filled out only arouse
eighteen months later.
You'd have to be pretty stupid to look at all the proven
inconsistencies in Tune's story to think anything other than he's a
steroid abuses that got caught, and covered up in-house until a
reporter got a hold of the scoop.
But then in Australia these sorts of attitudes prevail;
(Editorials from Australian newspapers) ;
* The 'Australian';
"Australian athletes appear mostly indifferent to drug protocol and
the nation has no sense of justice when it comes to other
international athletes who are found to be in breach of drug rules."
"Speak with an accent and you are automatically up to your biceps in
syringes. Australians, however, are innocent victims."
* The 'Herald Sun'
"IF THE secret drug testing and cover-ups of the Ben Tune scandal
happened anywhere else in the world, Australian sports fans would
snigger with derision.
Like other countless cries of innocence from drug cheats, Tune's
excuse would be dismissed as codswallop.
The Queensland and Australian rugby unions expect the public - and
rival rugby teams - to believe their version of events: that Tune was
administered probenecid as part of a treatment for an infected knee."
Kip
2004-11-16 05:41:00 UTC
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Post by Kip
That's the cover story. But what is proven beyond doubt is the
dishonesty that Tune, the QRU and the ARU all colluded to act with.
no that is the truth if you look at the facts. But hey you have never
considered any fact that destroys your paranoid, insular argument.
The *FACT* is that the ARU was condemned by the IRB for hding the
affair rather than following anti doping regulation.

Another *FACT* is that Tune appolgised himself for his part in
"telling lies"

So what part of that isn't true chucky?
dechucka
2004-11-16 05:47:32 UTC
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Post by Kip
Post by dechucka
Post by Kip
That's the cover story. But what is proven beyond doubt is the
dishonesty that Tune, the QRU and the ARU all colluded to act with.
no that is the truth if you look at the facts. But hey you have never
considered any fact that destroys your paranoid, insular argument.
The *FACT* is that the ARU was condemned by the IRB for hding the
affair rather than following anti doping regulation.
yes so what
Post by Kip
Another *FACT* is that Tune appolgised himself for his part in
"telling lies"
yes so what
Post by Kip
So what part of that isn't true chucky?
the bit where you claim that Tune is a drug cheat, FACT he declared to the
drug testing authorities that he was taking Probenecid, FACT it was a drug
that he had been prescribed by a medical specialist for a legitimate medical
reason FACT the IRB while condemning the ARU and QRU for covering up the
situation took no further action.

Fact you are a paranoid insular little New Zealander.

to see an opposite view see http://roidrage.blogspot.com
Kip
2004-11-16 05:55:09 UTC
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Post by dechucka
the bit where you claim that Tune is a drug cheat, FACT he declared to the
drug testing authorities that he was taking Probenecid, FACT it was a drug
that he had been prescribed by a medical specialist for a legitimate medical
reason FACT the IRB while condemning the ARU and QRU for covering up the
situation took no further action.
No. Tune was caught by a drug test, as was reported by the BBC, ABC
and herald among other papers.

Tune was himself responsible for any substance in his body, the rules
specifically state that it was his duty to inform the doctor of doping
restrictions. Even if his story was actually the truth, (remember he's
a proven liar) then he's still at fault.

Is there anything there beyond your understanding? It is all very
simple.

In any case Tune was responsible. Not some "Doctor".

Do you understand that?

Do you?
dechucka
2004-11-16 06:28:13 UTC
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Post by Kip
Post by dechucka
the bit where you claim that Tune is a drug cheat, FACT he declared to the
drug testing authorities that he was taking Probenecid, FACT it was a drug
that he had been prescribed by a medical specialist for a legitimate medical
reason FACT the IRB while condemning the ARU and QRU for covering up the
situation took no further action.
No. Tune was caught by a drug test, as was reported by the BBC, ABC
and herald among other papers.
of course he was and the IRB let him off and of course NZ was ready to hold
the WC and it was the nasty Australians who organized World Rugby to tell
them get FUCKED.

Hey Kip go off an live in your fantasy world of
http://roidrage.blogspot.com, I on the other hand will live in the real
world playing reffing and watching the game they play in heaven
JD
2004-11-16 05:55:23 UTC
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Post by dechucka
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:22:00 +1100, "dechucka"
Post by dechucka
Post by Kip
That's the cover story. But what is proven beyond doubt is the
dishonesty that Tune, the QRU and the ARU all colluded to act with.
no that is the truth if you look at the facts. But hey you have never
considered any fact that destroys your paranoid, insular argument.
The *FACT* is that the ARU was condemned by the IRB for hding the
affair rather than following anti doping regulation.
yes so what
Another *FACT* is that Tune appolgised himself for his part in
"telling lies"
yes so what
So what part of that isn't true chucky?
the bit where you claim that Tune is a drug cheat,
By definition and his own admission, what more do you need?
dechucka
2004-11-16 06:29:16 UTC
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Post by JD
Post by dechucka
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:22:00 +1100, "dechucka"
Post by dechucka
Post by Kip
That's the cover story. But what is proven beyond doubt is the
dishonesty that Tune, the QRU and the ARU all colluded to act
with.
Post by dechucka
Post by dechucka
no that is the truth if you look at the facts. But hey you have
never
Post by dechucka
Post by dechucka
considered any fact that destroys your paranoid, insular argument.
The *FACT* is that the ARU was condemned by the IRB for hding the
affair rather than following anti doping regulation.
yes so what
Another *FACT* is that Tune appolgised himself for his part in
"telling lies"
yes so what
So what part of that isn't true chucky?
the bit where you claim that Tune is a drug cheat,
By definition and his own admission, what more do you need?
the IRB to sanction him for being a drug cheat. Oh that's right they didn't
because he isn't
Kip
2004-11-16 06:38:44 UTC
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Post by dechucka
the IRB to sanction him for being a drug cheat. Oh that's right they didn't
because he isn't
Poor, simple chucky.

It's easy to see how a once great sporting nation has been reduced to
being described as such by their own press;

"Australian athletes appear mostly indifferent to drug protocol and
the nation has no sense of justice when it comes to other
international athletes who are found to be in breach of drug rules."

You and people like you are the problem in your country. It won't get
better until YOU change chucky..
dechucka
2004-11-16 06:57:29 UTC
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Post by Kip
Post by dechucka
the IRB to sanction him for being a drug cheat. Oh that's right they didn't
because he isn't
Poor, simple chucky.
It's easy to see how a once great sporting nation has been reduced to
being described as such by their own press;
"Australian athletes appear mostly indifferent to drug protocol and
the nation has no sense of justice when it comes to other
international athletes who are found to be in breach of drug rules."
You and people like you are the problem in your country. It won't get
better until YOU change chucky..
poor little Kip living in the fantasy world of http://roidrage.blogspot.com.
I live in the real world, you know the real world where countries host the
rugby world cup and where the IRB knows when someone is taking Probenecid
for legitimate reasons.

By the way Kip is Lomu taking EPO at the moment
Kip
2004-11-16 07:16:34 UTC
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Post by dechucka
By the way Kip is Lomu taking EPO at the moment
Yes I know. If only he could have taken it in the mid-late nineties
when he was playing, he requested dispensation three times to be able
to use it.

He was declined three times, with the IRB responding that "there was
no allowance in IRB regulations to grant dispensation for the use of
banned substances"
dechucka
2004-11-16 21:37:52 UTC
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Post by Kip
Post by dechucka
By the way Kip is Lomu taking EPO at the moment
Yes I know. If only he could have taken it in the mid-late nineties
when he was playing, he requested dispensation three times to be able
to use it.
He was declined three times, with the IRB responding that "there was
no allowance in IRB regulations to grant dispensation for the use of
banned substances"
If Lomu is taking EPO for a legitimate medical reason do you think he should
be allowed to play rugby at a rep level?
Kip
2004-11-16 21:46:42 UTC
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Post by dechucka
Post by Kip
He was declined three times, with the IRB responding that "there was
no allowance in IRB regulations to grant dispensation for the use of
banned substances"
If Lomu is taking EPO for a legitimate medical reason do you think he should
be allowed to play rugby at a rep level?
With the anti doping rules we have now there is provision possible for
the IRB to grant use of such substances in-competition.

If Lomu received prior dispensation from the IRB, then why not?
dechucka
2004-11-16 23:50:13 UTC
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Post by dechucka
Post by Kip
He was declined three times, with the IRB responding that "there was
no allowance in IRB regulations to grant dispensation for the use of
banned substances"
If Lomu is taking EPO for a legitimate medical reason do you think he
should be allowed to play rugby at a rep level?
With the anti doping rules we have now there is provision possible for the
IRB to grant use of such substances in-competition.
If Lomu received prior dispensation from the IRB, then why not?
but when we were discussing the Kefu case you said that nobody with a banned
substance in there system should be allowed to play regardless of whether it
was being taken:- for a legitimate medical reason or not, in fact I think
you said they should be banned. This is a pov I disagree with, if it can be
shown that a banned drug is being taken under medical supervision for a
legitimate medical reason than it should be allowable. I concede that this
does bring up the problem of tame Doctors "prescribing" drugs for non
existent problems but surely there is a way to get around this as in the
Lomu case. There must be also a provision for the prescribing of banned
drugs in an acute situation as occurred with Tune and Kefu
Kip
2004-11-16 05:18:17 UTC
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Post by dechucka
and the whole point is Tune did the right thing, the QRU did the wrong
thing.
Tune was solely responsible for any and all substances in his system.

That you say "Tune did the right thing" is in itself a classic
statement of how deluded you really are chucky.

Tune took a banned steroid masking agent, got caught in an in house
test and then lied about it while actively participating in "secret
drug testing".

This "Australian" editorial is about you chucky;

"Australian athletes appear mostly indifferent to drug protocol
and the nation has no sense of justice when it comes to other
international athletes who are found to be in breach of drug rules."

"Speak with an accent and you are automatically up to your biceps
in syringes. Australians, however, are innocent victims."
dechucka
2004-11-16 05:24:44 UTC
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Post by Kip
Post by dechucka
and the whole point is Tune did the right thing, the QRU did the wrong
thing.
Tune was solely responsible for any and all substances in his system.
That you say "Tune did the right thing" is in itself a classic
statement of how deluded you really are chucky.
Tune took a banned steroid masking agent, got caught in an in house
test and then lied about it while actively participating in "secret
drug testing".
Once again you show what a lying piece of crap you are. Tune got caught
because he declared his use of Probenecid on his player declaration form to
the ADTA. Hey but like normal don't let the truth get in the way of your
paranoid, insular ranting.

You are quite correct Kip you are right the IRB is wrong NOT
Kip
2004-11-16 05:43:05 UTC
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Post by dechucka
Once again you show what a lying piece of crap you are. Tune got caught
because he declared his use of Probenecid on his player declaration form to
the ADTA. Hey but like normal don't let the truth get in the way of your
paranoid, insular ranting.
Tune tested positive, or are the BBC, ABC and NZ Herald "lying pieces
of shit" too ?;

The BBC;

"...[T]he ARU did not report the matter to the International Rugby
Board when Tune tested positive..."

The ABC;

"Australia was reprimanded by the International Rugby Board (IRB)
last year for covering up a positive test by winger Ben Tune, a member
of the Wallabies team that won the last World Cup."

the New Zealand Herald;

"Four days before a Tri-Nations match between Australia and South
Africa in Brisbane, officials announced yesterday the ARU had known
about a positive test for a banned diuretic Tune inadvertently took
last year."
dechucka
2004-11-16 05:51:08 UTC
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Post by Kip
Post by dechucka
Once again you show what a lying piece of crap you are. Tune got caught
because he declared his use of Probenecid on his player declaration form to
the ADTA. Hey but like normal don't let the truth get in the way of your
paranoid, insular ranting.
Tune tested positive, or are the BBC, ABC and NZ Herald "lying pieces
of shit" too ?;
The BBC;
"...[T]he ARU did not report the matter to the International Rugby
Board when Tune tested positive..."
did he when, he was never tested by the ADTA he was tested by the QRU who
morally I agree should have reported that Tune had taken Probenecid for
medical reasons
Post by Kip
The ABC;
"Australia was reprimanded by the International Rugby Board (IRB)
last year for covering up a positive test by winger Ben Tune, a member
of the Wallabies team that won the last World Cup."
interestingly they didn't sanction Tune, Oh that's right they agree he was
taking Probenecid for a legitimate medical reason
Post by Kip
the New Zealand Herald;
"Four days before a Tri-Nations match between Australia and South
Africa in Brisbane, officials announced yesterday the ARU had known
about a positive test for a banned diuretic Tune inadvertently took
last year."
WOW this is a paper of truth IT GOT THE DRUG WRONG


Once again you show what a lying piece of crap you are. Tune got caught
because he declared his use of Probenecid on his player declaration form to
the ADTA. Hey but like normal don't let the truth get in the way of your
paranoid, insular ranting
Kip
2004-11-16 05:59:23 UTC
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Post by dechucka
Post by Kip
The BBC;
"...[T]he ARU did not report the matter to the International Rugby
Board when Tune tested positive..."
did he when, he was never tested by the ADTA he was tested by the QRU who
morally I agree should have reported that Tune had taken Probenecid for
medical reasons
So now the British BBC, the Australian ABC and New Zealand Herald are
all liars just because you say so? Reputable papers from three
different countries.

MULTIPLE, REPUTABLE, INTERNATIONAL PUBLICATIONS versus the babblings
of some anonymous internet identity that can't accept one of his
hero's is a drug cheat...

So all these publications are lying just because it suits you?

How come the ARU never sued any of them eh chucky? Or even rebuked
them in the slightest? - If there were in fact lying?
dechucka
2004-11-16 06:36:55 UTC
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Post by Kip
Post by dechucka
Post by Kip
The BBC;
"...[T]he ARU did not report the matter to the International Rugby
Board when Tune tested positive..."
did he when, he was never tested by the ADTA he was tested by the QRU who
morally I agree should have reported that Tune had taken Probenecid for
medical reasons
So now the British BBC, the Australian ABC and New Zealand Herald are
is the NZ Herald who is so truthful that they called Probenecid a diuretic,
Hey Kip your not writing for them are you because this is the type of
ignorant stupid mistake that you would make.

Love your snipping of the bits where you are shown to be a fool again

snip
Kip
2004-11-16 06:49:07 UTC
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Post by dechucka
is the NZ Herald who is so truthful that they called Probenecid a diuretic,
Hey Kip your not writing for them are you because this is the type of
ignorant stupid mistake that you would make.
Nice try at the diversion there chucky..

You say Tune "declared" the drug, BUT;

I repeat again; sources from MULTIPLE, REPUTABLE, INTERNATIONAL
PUBLICATIONS reported that Tune in fact "TESTED POSITIVE".

The ARU whitewash has tried to claim this "Tune declare his use on
[some] form" story, yet they didn't object to the continued reporting
form a number of sources that he had alternatively tested positive and
the ARU had kept that positive test secret.

And has the original results of what was actually in his system EVER
surfaced? NO! of course not! THAT'S THE POINT.
dechucka
2004-11-16 06:58:39 UTC
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Post by Kip
Post by dechucka
is the NZ Herald who is so truthful that they called Probenecid a diuretic,
Hey Kip your not writing for them are you because this is the type of
ignorant stupid mistake that you would make.
Nice try at the diversion there chucky..
You say Tune "declared" the drug, BUT;
which he did don't let the facts penetrate Kipworld
http://roidrage.blogspot.com

snip
Kip
2004-11-16 07:17:32 UTC
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Post by dechucka
Post by Kip
Nice try at the diversion there chucky..
You say Tune "declared" the drug, BUT;
which he did don't let the facts penetrate Kipworld
http://roidrage.blogspot.com
So all the newspapers are lying, just so chucky can hold on to his
little pretend belief that Tune is not a drug cheat.
dechucka
2004-11-16 21:47:04 UTC
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Post by Kip
Post by dechucka
Post by Kip
Nice try at the diversion there chucky..
You say Tune "declared" the drug, BUT;
which he did don't let the facts penetrate Kipworld
http://roidrage.blogspot.com
So all the newspapers are lying, just so chucky can hold on to his
little pretend belief that Tune is not a drug cheat.
Well the NZ Herald was lying when they said he was taking a diuretic weren't
they. Anyhow the bottom line is that Tune was taking Probenecid under
medical supervision for a legitimate medical use, declared his use to the
ADTA who informed the QRU that Tune had declared the use of a banned drug
and the IRB while condemning the QRU and ARU decided no action should be
taken against Tune.

.
JD
2004-11-16 23:58:38 UTC
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Post by dechucka
is the NZ Herald who is so truthful that they called Probenecid a diuretic,
Link?
Post by dechucka
Hey Kip your not writing for them are you because this is the type of
ignorant stupid mistake that you would make.
Perhaps you'd better start a bulk email list then chucky;

The Boston Globe http://tinyurl.com/6z3kn
The Athens Banner-Herald http://tinyurl.com/49b86
'One popular masking agent is the diuretic Probenecid'
Kip
2004-11-17 00:05:15 UTC
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Post by dechucka
Post by dechucka
is the NZ Herald who is so truthful that they called Probenecid a
diuretic,
Link?
Post by dechucka
Hey Kip your not writing for them are you because this is the type of
ignorant stupid mistake that you would make.
Perhaps you'd better start a bulk email list then chucky;
The Boston Globe http://tinyurl.com/6z3kn
The Athens Banner-Herald http://tinyurl.com/49b86
'One popular masking agent is the diuretic Probenecid'
Old chucky, he's quite the laugh. Used to claim to be a
'pharmacologist' - until I pointed out to him that he could even spell
the name of the drug we were debating.
dechucka
2004-11-17 00:10:20 UTC
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Post by Kip
Post by dechucka
Post by dechucka
is the NZ Herald who is so truthful that they called Probenecid a
diuretic,
Link?
Post by dechucka
Hey Kip your not writing for them are you because this is the type of
ignorant stupid mistake that you would make.
Perhaps you'd better start a bulk email list then chucky;
The Boston Globe http://tinyurl.com/6z3kn
The Athens Banner-Herald http://tinyurl.com/49b86
'One popular masking agent is the diuretic Probenecid'
Old chucky, he's quite the laugh. Used to claim to be a
'pharmacologist' - until I pointed out to him that he could even spell
the name of the drug we were debating.
good one Kip just pointing out that your reputable source couldn't even get
the drug class correct. Hey Kip this is right up with all your sources
dechucka
2004-11-17 00:09:14 UTC
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Post by dechucka
Post by dechucka
is the NZ Herald who is so truthful that they called Probenecid a
diuretic,
Link?
ask Kip he posted the quote

snip
JD
2004-11-17 00:36:53 UTC
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Post by dechucka
Post by dechucka
Post by dechucka
is the NZ Herald who is so truthful that they called Probenecid a
diuretic,
Link?
ask Kip he posted the quote
You made the assertion chucky, don't give up just yet.

BTW, another one: http://tinyurl.com/4d3c6 'a positive result for
Probenecid, a banned diuretic'
dechucka
2004-11-17 00:44:03 UTC
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Post by JD
Post by dechucka
Post by dechucka
Post by dechucka
is the NZ Herald who is so truthful that they called Probenecid a
diuretic,
Link?
ask Kip he posted the quote
You made the assertion chucky, don't give up just yet.
and Kip made the post with the quote, try and keep up

this is what Kip posted

"the New Zealand Herald;

"Four days before a Tri-Nations match between Australia and South
Africa in Brisbane, officials announced yesterday the ARU had known
about a positive test for a banned diuretic Tune inadvertently took
last year." "

Oh dear just like Kip they got it wrong, 1 the drug was Probenecid which is
not a diuretic and 2 Tune did not take it inadvertently he was prescribed it
by a medical specialist
JD
2004-11-17 00:54:33 UTC
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Post by dechucka
Post by JD
Post by dechucka
Post by dechucka
Post by dechucka
is the NZ Herald who is so truthful that they called Probenecid a
diuretic,
Link?
ask Kip he posted the quote
You made the assertion chucky, don't give up just yet.
and Kip made the post with the quote, try and keep up
In this intellectual race, you've been lapped.
Post by dechucka
this is what Kip posted
"the New Zealand Herald;
"Four days before a Tri-Nations match between Australia and South
Africa in Brisbane, officials announced yesterday the ARU had known
about a positive test for a banned diuretic Tune inadvertently took
last year." "
Oh dear just like Kip they got it wrong, 1 the drug was Probenecid which is
not a diuretic
Keep fighting that war chucky.
Post by dechucka
and 2 Tune did not take it inadvertently
Damn right.
dechucka
2004-11-17 00:57:43 UTC
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Post by JD
Post by dechucka
Post by JD
Post by dechucka
Post by dechucka
Post by dechucka
is the NZ Herald who is so truthful that they called Probenecid
a
Post by dechucka
Post by JD
Post by dechucka
Post by dechucka
diuretic,
Link?
ask Kip he posted the quote
You made the assertion chucky, don't give up just yet.
and Kip made the post with the quote, try and keep up
In this intellectual race, you've been lapped.
Post by dechucka
this is what Kip posted
"the New Zealand Herald;
"Four days before a Tri-Nations match between Australia and South
Africa in Brisbane, officials announced yesterday the ARU had known
about a positive test for a banned diuretic Tune inadvertently took
last year." "
Oh dear just like Kip they got it wrong, 1 the drug was Probenecid
which is
Post by dechucka
not a diuretic
Keep fighting that war chucky.
Post by dechucka
and 2 Tune did not take it inadvertently
Damn right.
of course he didn't take in inadvertently he was prescribed it by a Doctor
dechucka
2004-11-16 21:43:20 UTC
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Post by Kip
Post by dechucka
Post by Kip
The BBC;
"...[T]he ARU did not report the matter to the International Rugby
Board when Tune tested positive..."
did he when, he was never tested by the ADTA he was tested by the QRU who
morally I agree should have reported that Tune had taken Probenecid for
medical reasons
So now the British BBC, the Australian ABC and New Zealand Herald are
all liars just because you say so? Reputable papers from three
different countries.
MULTIPLE, REPUTABLE, INTERNATIONAL PUBLICATIONS
REPUTABLE publications the NZ Herald couldn't even get the drug class
correct, I'd believe them as much as the syphilis Dr from SA and your put of
date pharmacist. Oh well in the end it doesn't really matter the IRB
believed Tune
Kip
2004-11-16 21:52:53 UTC
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Post by dechucka
REPUTABLE publications the NZ Herald couldn't even get the drug class
correct, I'd believe them as much as the syphilis Dr from SA and your put of
date pharmacist. Oh well in the end it doesn't really matter the IRB
believed Tune
Was the Australian paper the 'ABC' lying when it reported;

"Australia was reprimanded by the International Rugby Board (IRB) last
year for covering up a positive test by winger Ben Tune..."

Because I thought you held your Australian journalists is such high
regard? - you remember saying this;

"We have very good journalists who report fairly..."
dechucka
2004-11-16 23:54:18 UTC
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Post by Kip
Post by dechucka
REPUTABLE publications the NZ Herald couldn't even get the drug class
correct, I'd believe them as much as the syphilis Dr from SA and your put
of date pharmacist. Oh well in the end it doesn't really matter the IRB
believed Tune
Was the Australian paper the 'ABC' lying when it reported;
"Australia was reprimanded by the International Rugby Board (IRB) last
year for covering up a positive test by winger Ben Tune..."
Because I thought you held your Australian journalists is such high
regard? - you remember saying this;
"We have very good journalists who report fairly..."
but always accurately, Tune never failed a ADTA test, it was only when
someone actually read the declaration form that he submitted to the ADTA
that they realised he was taking a banned substance. WOW that is the act of
someone covering up drug abuse declaring on a form that he is taking the
drug when he wasn't being tested. He obviously failed private QRU tests
BECAUSE HE HAD DECLARED HE WAS TAKING PROBENECID to the authorities
Kip
2004-11-17 00:03:45 UTC
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Post by dechucka
Post by Kip
Was the Australian paper the 'ABC' lying when it reported;
"Australia was reprimanded by the International Rugby Board (IRB) last
year for covering up a positive test by winger Ben Tune..."
Because I thought you held your Australian journalists is such high
regard? - you remember saying this;
"We have very good journalists who report fairly..."
but always accurately, Tune never failed a ADTA test, it was only when
someone actually read the declaration form that he submitted to the ADTA
that they realised he was taking a banned substance. WOW that is the act of
someone covering up drug abuse declaring on a form that he is taking the
drug when he wasn't being tested. He obviously failed private QRU tests
BECAUSE HE HAD DECLARED HE WAS TAKING PROBENECID to the authorities
I really have to thank you chucky, it's great that with your inept
attempt at debating from your well beaten standpoint that you provide
a such a long running platform to keep the "Tune doping affair"
going...

Long may it live - What Tune and the ARU did and got away with should
never be forgotten. Drug cheats like Tune should be exposed and
vilified for what they are, if not the authorities, then in public
forums like this. Well done.
dechucka
2004-11-17 00:11:32 UTC
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Post by Kip
Post by dechucka
Post by Kip
Was the Australian paper the 'ABC' lying when it reported;
"Australia was reprimanded by the International Rugby Board (IRB) last
year for covering up a positive test by winger Ben Tune..."
Because I thought you held your Australian journalists is such high
regard? - you remember saying this;
"We have very good journalists who report fairly..."
but always accurately, Tune never failed a ADTA test, it was only when
someone actually read the declaration form that he submitted to the ADTA
that they realised he was taking a banned substance. WOW that is the act of
someone covering up drug abuse declaring on a form that he is taking the
drug when he wasn't being tested. He obviously failed private QRU tests
BECAUSE HE HAD DECLARED HE WAS TAKING PROBENECID to the authorities
I really have to thank you chucky, it's great that with your inept
attempt at debating from your well beaten standpoint that you provide
a such a long running platform to keep the "Tune doping affair"
going...
Long may it live - What Tune and the ARU did and got away with should
never be forgotten. Drug cheats like Tune should be exposed and
vilified for what they are, if not the authorities, then in public
forums like this. Well done.
the fact that he isn't a drug cheat seems to have escaped you, but a hey
than again a lot of reality does
MD
2004-11-16 10:36:01 UTC
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Post by Kip
Post by Walter Mitty
Post by Kip
Matua is in Australia because the dole package is better.
So is the methadone program.
Australians love their drugs..
theyre in Tune with them
Walter Mitty
2004-11-16 14:35:39 UTC
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Post by Walter Mitty
Post by Kip
Post by dechucka
Nobody would own up to being New Zealand's/ a New Zealanders
neighbour, I tell all my o/s friends that NZ isn't really close to
Aus and that it is really strange that most/many NZers are wannabe
Australians.
Matua is in Australia because the dole package is better.
So is the methadone program.
I did it again. Amazing.
NZDude
2004-11-16 10:43:52 UTC
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Post by Roger
Post by NZDude
Just call them an "Aussie" that usually does it quite nicely. Or ask them
how it feels to be Australia's smallest state.
NZD
Mind you, ever seen an Ozzers reaction when you ask him/her - whereabouts in the West
Island do you come from.
LOL
Now THAT would be priceless, may have to try it myself soon.
;-)
NZD
Kip
2004-11-15 21:51:29 UTC
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Post by Ferdi Greyling
South Africans are called Japies regularly by some NZ'ers and when
SA'ns object they get sworn at.
I guess one can repay the compliment.
How does one racially insult a New Zealander?
We have a special rule that says 'racism' is reserved only for non-white
people.

You can say anything you like about white people, call them names like
'pakeha' or 'hori' and there's a PC army right there to back up that
it's not in fact racist it's your fault for not being PC..

SO sorry for that Ferdi, you can only be racist towards non-white New
Zealanders.

Ask Morriesy or Ashford for more detail...
tehori
2004-11-16 11:02:57 UTC
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Kip <rkippen
Post by Kip
You can say anything you like about white people, call them names like
'pakeha' or 'hori' and there's a PC army right there to back up that
it's not in fact racist it's your fault for not being PC..
SO sorry for that Ferdi, you can only be racist towards non-white New
Zealanders.
Ask Morriesy or Ashford for more detail...
Correct,now for us big brown buggers who were in the front row,
words like,charming,witty,bright, will naturally come to you.Along
with saying,a prop forward has the head and body of a greek god.
grumpy old hori
John Hill
2004-11-16 08:05:24 UTC
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Post by Ferdi Greyling
South Africans are called Japies regularly by some NZ'ers and when
SA'ns object they get sworn at.
I guess one can repay the compliment.
How does one racially insult a New Zealander?
You can't insult a New Zealander

JH
MD
2004-11-16 09:17:01 UTC
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Post by Ferdi Greyling
South Africans are called Japies regularly by some NZ'ers and when
SA'ns object they get sworn at.
I guess one can repay the compliment.
How does one racially insult a New Zealander?
Mistakenly call them an Aussie!!!
Kip
2004-11-16 09:24:05 UTC
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Post by MD
Mistakenly call them an Aussie!!!
Is it 'moron day' again?
MD
2004-11-16 10:31:46 UTC
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Post by Kip
Post by MD
Mistakenly call them an Aussie!!!
Is it 'moron day' again?
Must be as I have lost count on the pathetic posts from a boofnut called Kip
David Covey
2004-11-16 11:37:00 UTC
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Post by Ferdi Greyling
South Africans are called Japies regularly by some NZ'ers and when
SA'ns object they get sworn at.
I guess one can repay the compliment.
How does one racially insult a New Zealander?
At an India versus Pakistant cricket match in the summer, I heard
an Indian (Brit) fan shout "your country is full of Pakis" which
assumes that being from Pakistan is, in itself, as bad as it gets.

I have no comment on that, one wayu or the other, but I would say
that if you were substitute "New Zealanders" for "Pakis" the insult
would be, well, as bad as you're likely to get without having to go to
court. It is, after all, both true and damning ;-)

Cheers

UD
Sean Byrne
2004-11-16 12:18:00 UTC
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Post by David Covey
It is, after all, both true and damning ;-)
I think you'll find the emmigration figures for the UK much more
damning.

Later,
Sean
pete devlin
2004-11-16 12:54:04 UTC
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Post by Sean Byrne
Post by David Covey
It is, after all, both true and damning ;-)
I think you'll find the emmigration figures for the UK much more
damning.
Really? I'd be quite interested in seeing them. Where does one find
them? There are far fewer people leaving than coming in of course. And
those coming in are doing a grand job of doing all the crap jobs and
unsociable hours that we can't be bothered with. Britons retiring in
rural backwaters is at an all time high too. France, NZ - all the places
where the standard of living is no where near so high.
--
Pete Devlin
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Give me a woman who loves beer and I will conquer the world.
Kaiser Wilhelm
Sean Byrne
2004-11-16 13:46:07 UTC
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Post by pete devlin
Post by Sean Byrne
Post by David Covey
It is, after all, both true and damning ;-)
I think you'll find the emmigration figures for the UK much more
damning.
Really? I'd be quite interested in seeing them. Where does one find
them? There are far fewer people leaving than coming in of course.
From memory, it was an article in the Evening Standard a couple of weeks
ago stating that the number of people leaving for good is on the
increase.... markedly so if the article is to be believed.
Post by pete devlin
And
those coming in are doing a grand job of doing all the crap jobs and
unsociable hours that we can't be bothered with. Britons retiring in
rural backwaters is at an all time high too. France, NZ - all the
places where the standard of living is no where near so high.
Only if you're silly enough to take GDP/capita as the sole arbiter of
standard of living.

Later,
Sean
Kip
2004-11-16 23:41:20 UTC
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Post by Ferdi Greyling
South Africans are called Japies regularly by some NZ'ers and when
SA'ns object they get sworn at.
I guess one can repay the compliment.
How does one racially insult a New Zealander?
Ooo! I've thought of one;

"pakeha"

That REALLY fucks me off, almost as much as some spotty little git
asking me if I've got 'fly-buys' anytime I want to buy something.

It's a favorite label for white NZers of the basket weaving do-gooder
apologist hypocrite society here - and that makes it WORSE. I make a
point of crossing it out where ever I see it on a form etc and
replacing it with "New Zealander"

It is a racist, derogatory term that only exits here through blatant
hypocrisy and limp wristed apologism.

So there you go, there's one. Although it won't work on lefty butt
bandits like Ashford & Breen, but not many of that sort are into the
game here.
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